Shane986 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

suntuzu your comments are so stuipd, cheating is cheating no matter how it is done, poker is not a team event!! Bang your head on a sharp rock or something!!!

sunntzu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

sooperqper, i guess the question is. If i do not have admin rights or the spreed sheet, how would colluding with 4 players at a 9 player table allow me to cheat? We still can't see the other hands unless we hacked the system or had a spread sheet history of some type. I just see tons of people saying there are HUNDREDS of ways to cheat the system...wondering how as i can only think of 3 fail proof ways.

sunntzu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

superqpr, i know THEY KNEW. But, im asking in terms of the comment that was made about 4 people sitting in the same room. How would that help? Say, I had no administration rights and im just playing online with 4 other people conferencing while playing. How would that give us an advantage because we still wouldn't be able to see the other, say, 5 hands (if 4 of us were in collusion, and 5 were just playing at the table, totaling 9 people). Basically, how could we cheat that way?

TheIllegit (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Yes Absolute and UltimateBet are horrible sites with awful business practices. So don't play there. You won't be cheated at Stars or Full Tilt. And even at those other sites you most likely wouldn't be cheated unless you're playing the highest stakes (though of course I'd still never play there).

sooperqper (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

The fact is that they DID know the cards of the opponents, it was not collusion but a player with an administrator account in the site :-\

sunntzu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Just asking. How would that help? You still would have to see the cards though, and each person still couldn't see the opponents hand without either having the spreed-sheet read out of the history or a hack of some sort? Say, I have 5 people at a table and we're in collusion. But, how does that help against the other 4 players who's hand we still can not see?

timmyblaze (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I really hope Karma catches up with these yuppie douchebags...

SwedeSDMF (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

You're a complete idiot.... I don't know how else to put it. Simply an idiot.... I cannot even begin to address how stupid your statement is on so many levels - it's mind bending. Please don't procreate for the sake of all mankind.

jerw99 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Shocking! Unbelievable. But I always suspected something like this. I'm not a high roller by any means. Certain people just win too often with the crappy cards they play. I see in the video that the cheater slow plays several times to hook the victims in.

ICONCRUSHER (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"REGULATION" won't solve the prob- not at all; as long as these sites are run by criminal coder frauds... & that's the way it will always be. Plus they'll never stop collusion... Pokerstars encourages this. Only site no clear evidence against yet is Full Tilt--- but some seemingly shady things go on there also. Research it.