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Neuromancer4242 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
What I like about these videos is that the author seems respectful and makes a genuine effort at being objective. My objection is this: the grid-logic is flawed because the 'worst case scenario' can be used for any purpose, such as limiting civil rights and invading countries to defend us from terrorists. Think '1% doctrine'. As we've seen, this line of logic works very well.If this has been addressed before, please let me know. I am convinced of GGC. But not by this logic, by evidence.
heros817 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
global warming started 20,000 years ago.
Stevensonrob (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Minimal action may be necessary--I'll agree with that. Heck, major action may be necessary, but until I see what exactly "action" means, I'll have to remain skeptical. So far, things like the kyoto agreement and the LW bill here in the U.S. have come far short of a quality solution.
Stevensonrob (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"The "action" I would like to see is minimal.""I'd like to see the UN and national governments around the world coming to terms with, and accepting, the idea that GCC is perhaps the most urgent issue that we face, in almost every sense: environmental, ethical, economic, and even in regards to national security. "These two statements seem contradictory. But really, because you offer no specifics, then we really have nothing to debate.
The831st (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The "action" I would like to see is minimal. I'd like to see the UN and national governments around the world coming to terms with, and accepting, the idea that GCC is perhaps the most urgent issue that we face, in almost every sense: environmental, ethical, economic, and even in regards to national security. Specific, literal, "action" is something that I would leave to professional minds to assess and determine, as I am not qualified to recommend "action" in regards to a global catastrophe.
Stevensonrob (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
And really, it is hard to understand what you wish to have happen with vague references to ideas and the ability to fall back on things like "i'm just saying" or "this is just conjecture". Your stance is that "maybe it is necessary", but what? What "action" "may be necessary"?
Stevensonrob (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"And please, let go of your Perfect Solution fallacy."I don't understand how the need for a quality solution can be confused with the want for a "perfect solution"."Obviously, I'm not confusing the two. If you're confused, that is merely your poor interpretation of my point."Please then, explain what you meant in a less ambiguous way.
The831st (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
How would it result in net negative impact or zero-sum impact? Explain that to me. I don't understand how positive action, like what is recommended by the much discussed AAAS and NAAS, could lead to anything but positive results, even nominal ones.Obviously, I'm not confusing the two. If you're confused, that is merely your poor interpretation of my point.What would you propose, though? Is nay saying all that you would contribute? And please, let go of your Perfect Solution fallacy.
Stevensonrob (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Let me reword that--do we have any idea that "action" by the UN and like political entities will result in a net positive impact? The answer, sadly, remains the same: We do not.Your second paragraph seems odd to me--I did not realize the goal was to turn the third world into a "world-stabilizing force". As far as I can tell, both bobo6245 and this video series speak about action towards alleviating the consequences of climate change, and I hope you are not confusing the two.
The831st (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
We don't really "know" anything. We don't "know" if anything will do anything. To say that we shouldn't trust something because we don't "know" it will work is the same as saying that we shouldn't do anything at all, as we don't "know" if any thing will work.If the UN doesn't do something, who will? Market interests? Local authorities? How do you intend to have the third world up and organize themselves into a world-stabilizing force?If there is already organization, why not apply it? |
